After a mention of the atheist bus campaign

[Darragh]

There are so many denominations and variations of Christianity that as a label it's pretty meaningless.

Well, it means they believe in Christ as the son of God and our Lord and Saviour. That tells me a lot about a person.

[Kinders]

For some people Christianity means nothing more than trying to be a good person.

[Darragh]

For some people Christianity means nothing more than trying to be a good person.

I was just joking initially, I'm in a bad mood with all Christians (irrationally) for a recent report published in Ireland this week but...

That's a strange thing to call trying to be a good person. Id call trying to be a good person "Trying to be a good person". Which I guess could be a religion? I'm not trying to be smart but if that's all someone's belief consists off why bother associating yourself with Christ and his dad?

[Kinders]

I guess in the same way that people feel they can identify a nation as Christian. It's always easier to label yourself than define yourself.

[Philharmonic]

i agree with darragh - trying to be a good person should be a religion. sort of christianity without the bible and god and jesus and then when he took the weight of sin on hisn back and got nailed to a couple of planks god starts up with the 'i have no son i have no son' business....

actually i think its called buddhism

[jessia]

i don't don't think darragh was trying to claim trying-to-be-a-good-person as a religion. i also think it's a gross oversimplification to simplify buddhism to merely trying-to-be-a-good-person.

and i think it's strange to identify as christian without any sense of the scripture and the history, even one challenges aspects of it. like darragh said... christ as lord and saviour, even if you disagree on theological matters such as the trinity. but i suppose that goes to what kinders said about labels and self-definition.

I guess in the same way that people feel they can identify a nation as Christian. It's always easier to label yourself than define yourself.

[Qu Klaani]

I was just joking initially, I'm in a bad mood with all Christians (irrationally) for a recent report published in Ireland this week but...

It's not really irrational, your nice moderate wouldn't hurt a fly unless it was a pregnant woman Catholics provide the support and cover for the inevitable evils of the Church. It's rather damning how 90% of Catholics barely agree with the Church on anything, but still give it money every week. These revelations, as utterly unsurprising as they are, should make any Catholic feel shame, because we were complicit. Of course it's great that the church is being slowly kicked out of our societies, but they're gaining a stranglehold on developing countries and all this will inevitably be repeated.

[Qu Klaani]

Someone pointed this out to me, in relations to what Darragh was talking about. Not an easy watch.

[Philharmonic]

...right, yes, so clearing it up for myself (can you verify this, anyone?), the church isnt quite a goody-two-shoes organization as its cooked up to be?

[Darragh]

Someone pointed this out to me, in relations to what Darragh was talking about. Not an easy watch.

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I watched that when it was on. Pretty powerful stuff.The minister who he was "tearing the ~*Wibble*~ out of" is the Minister for Transport who I have spoken with a few times because I'm on the Transport Committee. He's a...

*gets fired*