The Republic of Heaven

Zodiac wrote:Alright, I was wrong about the agnosticism thing. There are people out there who think they KNOW beyond any and all doubt that there is or is not a God.

HOWEVER

I think that those who are posting here are at least partially agnostic. Yes, we all fall into our own little categories (Atheist, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish, etc.etc.), but I think we all have at least some degree of uncertainty.

Zodiac wrote:Really, though. Is there anyone on this thread who is absolutely certain, beyond any doubt, that God does or does not exist? I'm not trying to force a classification on you (shot in the dark), I'm just trying to find some common ground.

But.. but.. you've just conceded one thing and then claimed the opposite. I am not agnostic. I do not believe there is a God. You've just confused knowledge and belief again.

Kinders wrote:

Zodiac wrote:Alright, I was wrong about the agnosticism thing. There are people out there who think they KNOW beyond any and all doubt that there is or is not a God.

HOWEVER

I think that those who are posting here are at least partially agnostic. Yes, we all fall into our own little categories (Atheist, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish, etc.etc.), but I think we all have at least some degree of uncertainty.

Zodiac wrote:Really, though. Is there anyone on this thread who is absolutely certain, beyond any doubt, that God does or does not exist? I'm not trying to force a classification on you (shot in the dark), I'm just trying to find some common ground.

But.. but.. you've just conceded one thing and then claimed the opposite. I am not agnostic. I do not believe there is a God. You've just confused knowledge and belief again.

No, I said that there are SOME who don't have any doubt as to God's existance, but I don't BELIEVE (although I don't KNOW) that any of those people are posting here. So It's a partial concession. My point is, if we know that there's nobody here who is absolutely certain of God's existance, this debate can go more smoothly.

I beleive only what i see,feel...HDM changed my believes in God,i started asking myself should i beleive in something that i never saw,or felt.NO i said to myself
and continued reading His Dark Materials.

nope. no god whatsoever 100% sure no way.

i find it impossible to believe that a big guy in the clouds who would send you to burn for eternity for breaking one of 10 rules loves you. and i cant believe there are still people in this day and age who think the earth is 6000 years old.

anyone who wants to see my point, watch zeitgeist, i found it intriguing.

While I admit to lovin the stories (tell them stories!), I don't technically 'believe' in a God. But I am not technically an atheist, either, cuz I know that there is SOMETHING other than just what we can see in this physical world. Again, I KNOW, I don't bother with belief.

I do see a magick that cannot be explained by science, and the great 'why' I answered a long time ago..... But the only reason people have a God is so they can fight over what 'it' is called.....

I am a deeply spiritual person, but I hold NO truck with religion or preistcraft in ANY form, and that includes a blind faith or trust in the empiricalness of science, either.....

I am freinds with personally this guy, http://www.psychognosis.net/ and this is the only thing other than my own experiences that I would 'ascribe' to in any way. He is a good friend and teacher, the only one I have appointed to myself.

The whole problem with the god or no god argument, is that everyone has a different opinion of what it is, and I don't think anyone truly comprehends it. We can't after all, we are human, we can't even comprehend ourselves.