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Will's behavior
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 12:40 am
by lostinthought451
don't you think Will changed a Lot from the beginning of TSk to TAS? He seemed almost haughty and cold in TSK and was a lot nicer in TAS. Maybe Lyra changed him, just like he changed Lyra.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 1:44 am
by Xaphanial
Yeah he definately changed. At the beginning of TSK he was pretty mean to Lyra.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 1:47 am
by Isobel
Lyra and Will both grow up a lot throughout the books. The whole innocence to experience thing...I know in TAS there's lots of references to them growing up and not being children anymore. I think he became nicer (especially to Lyra) as he became more mature.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 1:51 am
by Xaphanial
Yeah at the beginning he was indifferent and Lyra was partially afraid. It wasnt till when Will spoke to Pan that PP really started making a difference in the attitude towards the two.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 5:28 am
by la bohemia
Of course he changed! They both just grew up.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 5:29 am
by Xaphanial
Not through aging but through expierience. The whole book series is only a handful of weeks long....
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 5:31 am
by Isobel
They matured a lot emotionally, not necessarily physically. Although I think someone figured out how long the events of the books take, and it's actually a little longer than that, maybe a few months?
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 5:33 am
by Xaphanial
No Way! In TAS, when they're in the world of the dead, Lyra reference's Roger as only being there a few weeks. Assuming few = 3 or so, plus like 2 weeks for the end of the book if you look at it proportionally.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 10:57 am
by Nix
soup has worked it out for some reason, he'll be able to tell you
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 12:53 pm
by Will
Soup has much too much time on his hands...
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 1:22 pm
by eloquent
Will's indifference was probably some kind of defence mechanism. Think about all the stuff he went through, and how he almost had to become semi-ferrel in order to survive. It probably took him a while to fully accept and trust Lyra. And there is also the growing up through experience thing.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 3:28 pm
by AySz88
Blighty wrote:Soup has much too much time on his hands...
Actually, I just kept track of it while reading TGC and TSK a second time through, and TAS isn't too hard...
The ENTIRE trilogy 150 days, or 5 months (assuming that Will's journey with the bears to the Himalyas took 4 weeks), but I think you guys are talking about two different time frames.
The entirety of TSK takes just 6 days, and TAS up to them boarding the boat leaving the World of the Mulefa is (4)+1 week and 5 days.
So the time frame you're taking about is 6 weeks, 4 days. One and a half months.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 3:40 pm
by Will
Back to topic...Mmm, before Lyra, Will simply doesn't trust anyone. The one person in the entire world he feels he can remotely depend upon is his old piano teacher. Thus we he says
'Lyra is the best friend I've ever had' it's not really much
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 6:07 pm
by Xaphanial
Oh, see I was forgetting things like boat rides and trips where he skips the part. Thanks.
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2003 6:27 pm
by jessia
yah, at the beginning, will's only friends are his mother and his piano teacher. he has never had any friends his own age. and lyra becomes his friend, and he becomes more compassionate to others.
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2003 8:35 pm
by Will
And now the poor lad can't even play the piano. That's why it would really piss me off if I lost some fingers.
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2003 11:41 pm
by jessia
AySz88 wrote:Blighty wrote:Soup has much too much time on his hands...
Actually, I just kept track of it while reading TGC and TSK a second time through, and TAS isn't too hard...
The ENTIRE trilogy 150 days, or 5 months (assuming that Will's journey with the bears to the Himalyas took 4 weeks), but I think you guys are talking about two different time frames.
The entirety of TSK takes just 6 days, and TAS up to them boarding the boat leaving the World of the Mulefa is (4)+1 week and 5 days.
So the time frame you're taking about is 6 weeks, 4 days. One and a half months.
how long does it take to travel from venice (c'gazze) to the himalayas?
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2003 1:36 am
by Pyr
a long while, especially on foot
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2003 1:41 am
by AySz88
Will went by boat...a loaded-down heavy steamboat, though.
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2003 6:33 am
by Xaphanial
Loaded down with a firethrower and a bunch of armored bears... I was surprised the thing floated...