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I can't believe she lost it, was anyone else angry at this?

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I can't believe she lost it, was anyone else angry at this?

Postby Nixy » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:43 pm

I can't believe Lyra lost the ability to read the alethiometer! I was so shocked at this, and so bumbed, almost depressed actually!!! I did not see this coming! There are no words for this! But I really hate that!!!
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Re: I can't believe she lost it, was anyone else angry at th

Postby AUST » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:18 pm

Nixy wrote:I can't believe Lyra lost the ability to read the alethiometer! I was so shocked at this, and so bumbed, almost depressed actually!!! I did not see this coming! There are no words for this! But I really hate that!!!

Why? It had to happen and I reckon it adds to the beauty of the story.
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Postby Mr Anderson » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:38 pm

She no longer saw a world in a grain of sand. She was no longer a child.
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Postby Mockingbird » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:55 pm

She read it through 'grace' and lost it when she 'lost' her innocence. She can learn it again, and when she does, she'll understand it better because she'll have worked for it.
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Postby Dismantle the Sun » Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:29 pm

Why be shocked? You know it's coming from the very first book. But I can't remember the quote right now, so... :?
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Postby Somewhat » Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:55 am

Acrually, it came to me as a shock too. But it's important to know that, as Di said, her gift was just that: a gift. She needs to earn the skill and then she will know much more.

/me goes to find the 'Can all children read the Alethiometer' thread
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Postby Nixy » Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:18 pm

yeah, I get that, but if it was a gift, how could she lose it, or was it taken back? either way, it's not right!
If anyone finds the quote, I'd like to see it, because I dont remember it ever being said she would lose it!
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Postby king of Svalbard » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:17 am

hmmmmmmmm...I can't seem to remember the quote and I'm too lazy to get up and find the book. :D But I was pretty shocked as well until I really thought about it, then it all made sense.
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Postby Aurone » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:30 am

It shocked me, but it was also kind of harsh cause Pullman teases the reader I think. First she tries to read it and the reader's like "Yes! Find an answer so you can stay together!" then she can't read it anymore. Then they're told 1 window will remain open and your like "Yes! They can have another window open and stay together!" then you find out that one window is the window for the ghosts.
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Postby AUST » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:30 pm

Nixy wrote:yeah, I get that, but if it was a gift, how could she lose it, or was it taken back? either way, it's not right!
If anyone finds the quote, I'd like to see it, because I dont remember it ever being said she would lose it!

Because she was growing up-I can't run for ages without sweating now, but when i do run I run harder and faster. Its that sort of thing.
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Postby Nixy » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:26 pm

ukh...I dunno...I'm still pissed about it...
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Postby Enitharmon » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:02 pm

Nixy wrote:ukh...I dunno...I'm still pissed about it...


You sound too young to be drinking.

Have a read of Heinrich von Kleist's On the Marionette Theatre, as Uncle Phil suggests. That should explain the thinking. Otherwise you are missing the point of the story.
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Postby zemarl » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:47 pm

rosie, where do you FIND these gems? that was brilliant.
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Postby bee » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:58 pm

baltaje wrote:rosie, where do you FIND these gems? that was brilliant.


Agreed. Twas fantastic.

About the thread topic, yes, I was sad she lost the ability, but like with the windows, it couldn't've been any other way.
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Postby Mr Anderson » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:49 pm

Indeed, a great wee read.
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Postby Zalgsar » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:49 am

I don't think the series would have been the same without some of the tragic loses. I believe that Lyra losing the ability was one of the many that made it such a convincing "Nothing last forever" type ending
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Postby Nixy » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:40 pm

ok ok geeeeez!!! Holy Benders people! just expressing a personal opinion...keep your pants on...
The last poster made a good, NICE, non-sarcastic point, so I thank you...

by the way, what would possibly lead you to assmue I drink!?! I'm underage! and I've only ever had one sip of alcohol in my life! and that was an accident! no really! it was! stop judging me....*sobs*

Enitharmon wrote:You sound too young to be drinking.

Have a read of Heinrich von Kleist's On the Marionette Theatre, as Uncle Phil suggests. That should explain the thinking. Otherwise you are missing the point of the story.


ok ok point taken, I would have thanked you for the info. if it wasn't so pleasantly accompanied by all that sarcasm...

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Postby Cookiemonster » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:32 pm

I read it more as plain-speaking rather than sarcasm, myself.
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Postby Enitharmon » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:00 pm

Nixy wrote:by the way, what would possibly lead you to assume I drink!?!


Erm, you said you were drunk?
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Postby Cookiemonster » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:41 pm

Enitharmon wrote:
Nixy wrote:ukh...I dunno...I'm still pissed about it...


You sound too young to be drinking.


Just to clarify Rosie's above comment, the key word is in bold.
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